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Lacanche Ranges Part 8
Posted by AKAsTJ_Northern_CA (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 5:38
Part 7 has reached the 100 entry limit. Please continue posting Lacanche Range information in this thread Part. Thanks! TJ
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Ranges Part 7

Follow-Up Postings:
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 7:08
Sue-Here are some prices of the Elan ovens. Wow, they are pretty! Deb
Here is a link that might be useful: Elan Wall Ovens

· Posted by: starina (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 9:17
Happy New Year to all of us! Thank you all for answering my questions. Zola, the pic's you posted are wonderful! Who does that great range(and kitchen) belong to? Just beautiful. Those two photos reinforced our decision on a Lacanche. Which model is it? I really like the setup. With the 'manhole cover' in the french top, I can set a wok or a pot in? I see the 'stand' for a wok, but what would hold a pan there? Is there a grate? I fell much better about the oven size now. Thank you. It is very difficult making this expensive a choice without beeing able to see and touch the range in person. I make these kind of choices very carefully, and the Lacanche grabbed me on an emotional level right from the start, lol. Not my usual way. I'm in lust! I think we're going to get black. I love color, but it will be more practical. sigh... The Elan ovens are beautiful! They sound like very good performers also. The price is not bad, and they will blend nicely with a Lacanche rangetop. Going back to look at those pic's again, Starina

· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 11:09
Thanks, Zolablue for the pictures. I was also worried, Starina abour the oven size. I was going to bag the Lacanche because of the small oven actually, but on a trip a few weeks ago a French chef told me the oven does not have to be big, it just needs to fit what you need to cook into it. He also explained that Europeans look at these types of applicances as if they were heirlooms, to be handed down generation to generation. He was cooking on a DCS, and he was not happy with it. So on Christmas Day, before the price increase, I decided I had better do it, and faxed in my credit card to AC. Totally out of character for me, but no regrets!

· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 11:33
oh no! another price increase? i thought they just had one in september? i still haven't made my decision. i will hopefully see a blue star today and a miele wok burner (didn't even know they had one until this dealer told me) -- if those don't satisfy i am back to the lacanche. the guy on the phone was this early in the game trying to sell me a wolf. why would i spend the bucks on a wolf, when i could just as easily spend it on a lacanche, and have BEAUTY on top of everything else? not that the wolf ain't beautiful, those red knobs are to die for, and if i were to go commercial (insurance be damned) i'd probably go with wolf, but the lacanche just hits you right there in the gut with its elegance (i know exactly how you feel, starina). sigh.... i could wax poetic over this range. if only my wallet would stop telling me to research-research-research every other cheaper option. however, i am to the point now where every option i look at, except for the humongo ovens, seems to bested by the lacanche at every turn -- btus, design, options available, etc., etc. i'll stop now.... rambling on this lovely morning when i have nothing better to do but browse online and drool. if only i had money for a morice.... perhaps i should sell one of my kids??? nah, i think my hubby would prefer i get the lacanche than lose one of his progeny.
· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 13:13
Oh stefoodie, just do it! You know you want to!

· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 13:20
stefoodie, Most of us have been in your position before ordering the Lacanche. It is difficult (at least for me) to order sight unseen. I even planned a trip to AC to see the Lacanche...but events came up and I couldn't work it in. Anyway, after much patient and gracious help from this board and much patient and helpful support from Stan, Tom, and Molly, I just did it. I too was going to order the Wolf appliances prior to seeing the Lacance (photos)... my reasoning for the dollar amount spent...what item do we use most in our homes on a daily basis???? Other than the TV or computer. Our kitchen appliances came out number one, as women I think we feel guilty about spending on something that is most helpful to us. And I think we are afraid of making a mistake and will regret our decision. My husband said just order what you want, what makes you feel good about using. That was all it took. Made the call to Lacanche. You mentioned the Miele wok burner...but it is 16000btu isn't it? The lacanche has 18000btu. Stefoodie, did you ask Stan or Tom what to use to cover the hole in the french top? The hole does not look large enough for a pot to fall through...but Stan or Tom could tell you the measurements of the hole. Best of luck, let us know what you decide. Sue

· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 13:28
starina - those pictures are of Tom's kitchen one of the guys at Art Culinaire. Gorgeous, huh? He has the black Cluny+1. You can barely see Tom in the second photo posted in the top right corner and I believe that woman is his mother. He was my salesman so that is why I know about this as he steered me to those pictures. They're great, aren't they? :o) Please note that he also told me it was not his intention to buy such a large turkey but he waited until the last minute and that is all that was left so he went for it and it worked beautifully. My hubby grew up working in his family's restaurant and surprisingly he was never concerned about that oven size and this from someone used to very large commercial ranges. He pointed out to me just how seldom one actually cooks something large enough to fill an entire large oven. I think we're all used to having all that space surrounding the food but when you think about how things do fit and how it cooks it is not necessary.

· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 13:41
starina - I'm such a doofus that I didn't give you this info before. I just measured my manhole cover and it is 7 1/4 inches in diameter. The entire French top is 15"W x 20"D. You would have a hard time to make a pan fall through that because you would not want to use anything so small on such a huge BTU burner so no problem there. You cannot believe the room on that top and it is a gorgeous piece and such a wonderful option for cooking that we really wanted to take advantage of it. Tom told me that 70% of French cooks choose that configuration and it made me think they know something we don't simply because our ranges (except Wolf that I know of) don't offer it. Momto4kids - FYI, I posted another photo for you on your alcove thread! :o) Stefoodie - I agree with Momto4kids - GO BUY THE LACANCHE AND STOP THE INSANITY...hehe. :o) Seriously, I swear you will not be disappointed in fact when I finally saw mine in person I was SO pleasantly relieved and I would never imagine being without a Lacanche ever again! Everyone who has come here just can't believe it and it really surprised me some of the people who commented. It is just that gorgeous. Oh, and I remember Tom telling me that one lady bought it ONLY for the way it looked as she did not cook but she also fell in love with its abilities. That's pretty cool, huh?

· Posted by: Nebs (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 14:27
I hope those who are considering purchasing a Lacanche range (or any other European appliance for that matter) hasve been paying attention to the falling dollar vs. the euro. The weakness in the dollar will only cause the prices of these products for US consumers to go up. According to the morning WSJ, the experts predict a further fall of the dollar throughout 2004 and not begin to strengthen until mid 2005. The message is "delay will only result in a higher price."

· Posted by: AKAsTJ_Northern_CA (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 15:48
Nebs, Related but slightly off-topic. I heard a report on CNBC yesterday that the Euro may hit $1.45 by the fourth quarter of 2004. It was the same person that predicted the Euro would be around $1.28 by the end of 2003. They weren't far off! With tongue-in-cheek (humor, maybe), don't buy appliances, buy Euros... :-) TJ

· Posted by: starina (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 17:31
Stefoodie, I know exactly what you mean. Thee only other ranges that are serious contenders are true commercial. We're talking new construction here, and accomadating a commercial unit is not a problem for us. BUT...... then I got the Lacanche brochure.... and the kitchen is the heart and soul of the home.... and I would use it to full capacity... I love to cook.... we love to entertain... we can showcase the range so nicely... DH really likes the look, but had no idea that a 'stove' could cost that much ... Well... Zola, you finished me off with the link to Tom's kitchen. What exactly does a Sully +1 mean? Other than drop dead gorgeous. Oh my, I want one bad now. Starina

· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 17:57
Starina- The +1 or +2 means the particular range plus a side cupboard. I'm getting the Sully +2 because I need 2 warming cupboards. You can get the cupboard with or without the heat element. "Without" the element, the cupboard becomes a storage cabinet. Is it calling enough to you yet??!! Do you need one of us to just go ahead and push you over the edge?!! I love these ranges! I am so envious of those that already have theirs. It's coming, one day! Deb

· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 18:04
LOL. thanks all for the advice. don't worry people, i will need to make a decision within the next month, then i won't be driving y'all crazy with my dithering. i still have NOT seen that blue star, so i'm holding off until i see it! but the miele ovens really wowed me. perhaps it's true we don't need huge ovens, i guess i've just had so many bad experiences with thanksgivings and holidays not going exactly as planned BECAUSE OF A SMALL OVEN, that i promised myself when i get to design and build my own house and kitchen i am getting one of those giant ones. of course, i could always get the lacanche rangetop and the miele ovens... (sigh)

· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 21:24
starina - note that Tom has the Cluny+1 NOT the Sully+1. Did you see all his photos? They are all wonderful. That warming cabinet (+1) would be FABU but it is very expensive. It works like a warming drawer only it would hold a lot more stuff because it has levels and you can stack. Here is a link...
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche Warming Cabinet...

· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Fri, Jan 2, 04 at 21:33
You know, the brochure is online now and it is really great. Go here and scroll through all the photos to see great representations. Geez, I LOVE this range! :o)
Here is a link that might be useful: Lacanche brochure online...

· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 8:23
Well, guess what, gals, the decision has been made for me. I think my hubby is tired of having to drive me to all these showroooms (I had the next 3 months planned out so we can see an appliance showroom every 2 weeks or so) and he told me last night after getting home from yet another showroom, 'if you still haven't seen anything that beats the Lacanche, you probably won't see it. Go ahead and get it!' And he even suggested RED!!! (which he knows is my fave color) -- now I've got a new problem -- what countertop goes with the red lacanche? We were originally planning for black granite to go with maple cabs because I thought I'd get a stainless or black range/rangetop, but now I'm thinking maple countertops with white cabs. I'm just afraid the black granite wouldn't go with the red lacanche at all.... know any pics of red lacanches out there already IN a kitchen? thanks, stef

· Posted by: starina (My Page) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 8:44
Stef, Black granite will 'go' great with a red Lacanche!!! So will your maple cab's. Go for it!!! Red is not to be feared. It works as a neutral if you use colors with equal values. What I mean by that is that if you use equally strong colors together, they work. Try it with pieces of fabric, tiles, or my favorite... flowers. Color is fun. This advice comes from a red head, lol, who is not afraid to wear colors that are not supposed to 'go' with my hair, . How exciting for you. I'm going to end up with the black, because I know I'll be changing other colors around in the area every few years, or even seasonally. I know myself well. Thanks for the above links. I'm about to find out just how expensive the warming cab will be. I really really like that setup. Showed DH the pic's of Tom's range last night and he was very impressed also. He pulled the info packet out and was looking thru it as I finished our dinner(in our terribly inadequate kitchen). Does anyone know if the range can be laced on casters? I'm thinking about cleaning under and around it issues. How neurotic can I get? Starina

· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 10:06
Stef-Congratulations! I think the red is marvelous. I think it will go great with your existing combination. Maple countertops with white cabinets will be great too! There are an infinite number of combinations that will go with the red---it's all going to be how you pull together accessories and the little details. We've got the provence yellow cormatin. I'm glad to see another colorful lacanche purchase!

· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 12:21
Here is a link that has a couple of red lacanches. At least you can get an idea. Congratulations on your decision to get the lacanche. http://www.frenchranges.com/gallery/cluny_other_gal.htm Sue

· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 14:37
Stefoodie - Congratulations! I have to say when you said you wanted red the first thing that popped into my head was white Carrara marble but I'm going to bet that would be far from your first choice. Not only is it our choice so of course I love it but I remembered instantly the brochure picture of the red Lacanche with those gorgeous creamy white marble counters. I'm posting the link below. Go through the gallery photos and you will see some red Lacanches. Here is the main page link and just click on the Lacanches at the side to see those galleries. http://www.frenchranges.com/gallery/cluny_black_gal.htm I do think what you have planned already will be really lovely but give yourself some time to let it sink in and make sure you don't want to explore other options. (Of course, we will limit the time you'r taking if we see you are getting out of hand again...LOL.:o)
Here is a link that might be useful: Red Lacanche w/white marble counter

· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 14:48
Starina - I believe the warming cabinet cost is $2500. It also adds 16" to the length of the range and you can add another hob (why not just jack that price up even further...LOL) or use it as a landing space or work area. It would be awesome to have even though it is outrageously priced IMO. And you just have to make sure you have the room and you want a much larger range.

· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 16:47
Stef- For ideas on how a color range looks in different settings, check out the Aga site as well. They also have a similar color palette as the Lacanche and have lots of gallery photos to look at.
Here is a link that might be useful: Aga kitchens

· Posted by: Tiger_lily_sc (tigerlilysc@msn.com) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 16:59
HI all, One the Laranche website it has a Red Cluny-UL Classique and the price is 7,655 and below is says 1/2 off on color. So now does that mean the price reflects a discount they've already taken or that they're reducing the red some more. I know, I should call them, which I did but the guy wasn't available. Just wondering if anyone has a clue. I've gone crazy over Lacanche in the last 24 hours! Penny

· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Sat, Jan 3, 04 at 17:12
Penny, don't you buy that red one, it's mine! Just kidding. I believe the price is 7655 because color is usually $900, the regular price is $7205 (see the black) -- so because color is half price you only have to pay $450 more to get it in red, instead of $8105. thanks for the suggestions everyone, i'm now going through all my kitchen mags and books again to consider other color combinations. of course, i could always just go back to black, which would be really nice with what i originally planned... it's just that that red is calling my name..... argh! here i go again! somebody stop me!!!! happy new year all, stef

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· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Sun, Jan 4, 04 at 18:27
i think i've solved the problem of what to use for countertops -- originally was planning for black granite with maple countertops because i thought i'd get something black and or stainless -- now that i plan to get the red, i'm afraid the combination of black-stainless-red-brass-maple might be too much, so i've looked through some red granites and i am just in love, as much as i am with the lacanche, i think, even just a bit more.

· Posted by: Tiger_lily_sc (tigerlilysc@msn.com) on Sun, Jan 4, 04 at 20:23
Hi Stefoodie, Nope, haven't decided. I went to Lowe's yesterday and got gobs of swatches and brochures but still haven't decided. I really think a red Laranche with whitish marble counters, white cabinets, and a little red other places with a little light khaki color tied in with it all would be to die for! As for flooring???? Maybe put the light khakie/sandstone color there! Then again a black Laranche with whitish marble counters, white cabinets, hardwood floors would be really pretty too. Have you looked at the Uba Tuba (black with gold streaks)black granite countertops? They are gorgeous, a friend has them. A black Laranche with white cabinets and Uba Tuba counters and a little splash of gold here and there would be pretty. I'm not sure at all what we're gonna do yet. Have just talked hubby into the Laranche. So are you definitely going red? Good for you! Penny

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· Posted by: eak0715 (My Page) on Sun, Jan 4, 04 at 20:52
How do the Lacanche ranges compare with Diva and Morice? Diva and Morice are 10,000 dollars ...is there a reason ?

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Sun, Jan 4, 04 at 20:55
Stef-First of all, YAY!! Welcome to the family. As for countertops, how about soapstone? Depending on where you get it, it runs from about $45/sq ft and up. Here's a link to some pix of samples I brought home from my trip to New World Stone. I think the Alberene would be fabulous. If I remember correctly, it is about $63/sq ft.
Here is a link that might be useful: Thread with Soapstone Pictures

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· Posted by: eak0715 (My Page) on Sun, Jan 4, 04 at 21:02
Sorry, I meant to ask why DIVA and Morice are 10,000 MORE?

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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Sun, Jan 4, 04 at 21:06
Hey, Penny, do you mean to be calling this a La"r"anche? LOL!

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· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Sun, Jan 4, 04 at 23:02
eak0715, I bet if you call Stan or Tom at frenchranges.com they could give that information. Sue

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Sun, Jan 4, 04 at 23:43
Wow, away for three days and so much activity. Thanks for the Soapstone Pix. I'm really interested in finding out why you made this choice....was it simply aesthetic? I was considering a honed absolut for the perimeter counters ans a hones carrera for the island. The Soapstone (dark grey) could definately fot the bill for the perimeter counters . I would appreciate your thoughts. Also, I know this is off topic but I am looking for a site where someone may be familiar with The Whitehause Collection for kitchen faucets and sinks. I'm on the West Coast and I have not been able to locate a retailer/distributer. BTW...Red IS the other neutral...I think it's absolutely a knock out. I couldn't take the leap so I settled for black w/chrome but it's a beuatiful red! Thanks, Meryl

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· Posted by: eak0715 (My Page) on Mon, Jan 5, 04 at 0:23
We are seriously deciding between a DIVA and a Lacanche. We would like to see a Lacanche before making a decision. Anyone in the Wisconsin / Chicago area who owns a Lacanche that could show us your range?

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Jan 5, 04 at 8:46
Meryl, I've run the gamut on countertop choices! My kitchen will be large and I didn't want all that shininess. I thought about honed AB on the perimeter, then St. Cecelia granite on the islands. But honed AB stains. I have a friend who has it and originally let the natural patina wear. That would drive me crazy. Eventually, it drove her crazy, too, and she tried oiling it. Now it looks dark and splotchy, which would also drive me crazy. I started reading on this forum about slate and soapstone as alternatives to honed AB. The soapstone I'm getting is very hard. Scratches won't show, but gouges will, I think. Any scratches can be repaired by me with a Scotchbrite pad. But the main thing that pushed me over the edge is the feel of it. It has a luxurious feel that granite doesn't have. The difference between silk and satin is the only way I can decribe it. They're both soft, but silk can have a luxuriousness to it that satin doesn't have. Does that make sense? Try to get some samples. You'll love it! Deb

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· Posted by: Tiger_lily_sc (tigerlilysc@msn.com) on Mon, Jan 5, 04 at 11:36
Hi again, RESERVE LIST??? Somewhere up further in this thread, someone wrote that the AC reserve list prices are a little cheaper than special order. Does AC always have some on it's Reserve list? I would assume AC keeps some of the best sellers there? Can someone enlighten me? Thanks! Penny in SC

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· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Mon, Jan 5, 04 at 11:56
penny -- the link where you saw the price of $7655? -- THAT'S the reserve list. stef

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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Jan 5, 04 at 11:57
Penny, I'm not sure how or why some of the ranges are on that list. I believe they established this for just that purpose to make the more popular ranges more readily available in a small quantity to avoid the 3-month lead time it takes to get them from across the big pond. In addition they end up with other ranges that may be from change orders or whatever but it sure can be a boost to someone if they happen to luck out and find their dream range on that list ready and waiting. :o) Funny, looking back I thought that long wait would be the hardest thing I'd do in buying that range (other than buying sight unseen) and now mine has been sitting in my dining room since the first of June. Argh!
Here is a link that might be useful: AC Private Reserve...

Sample of color...
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Jan 5, 04 at 12:01
Stefoodie - assuming you haven't changed your mind since yesterday...hehe...do you know you can get samples of the color from Art Culinaire? That way you can plan your color combination with the true color in hand and maybe that red reserve range would be yours!

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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Mon, Jan 5, 04 at 18:34
Mom-to-4-kids, I am getting the Cormatin, and I am in the same boat - big kitchen (galley with island) and I do not think I want shiny granite either. Does soapstone soak in stains - like marble? Please tell me - I know I'm off the subject. but I am trying to put a countertop (and everything else) together with the Lacanche. Thanks for your help!

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· Posted by: goodfun58 (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 12:15
bumping bumping

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· Posted by: tsprinkle (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 13:00
stefoodie and tiger lily: I just had my red cluny installed and it is beautiful. I have mostly cherry cabinets with the exception of two sage green pieces. My granite is new venetian gold (looks like St Cecelia and Santa Rita). The backsplash is an offwhite subway tile done in a running bond pattern except over the range where it is herringbone. The floor is a ceramic tile that is sort of mocha/light brown. The walls are a tan/khaki color. At any rate, the red looks great. It certainly is the focal point of the kitchen -- as it should be. Just thought you'd like to here from a satisfied owner of a red lacanche. The renovation is supposed to be finished this week so hopefully I can post a picture or two if you are interested.

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· Posted by: spacific (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 13:11
Tsprinkle-- The kitchen sounds spectacular. Can't wait for the pics.

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 13:41
Deb, Thanks for your prompt response. You wrote, "The soapstone I'm getting is very hard" . How does one ensure this since there appears to be differences from quarry to quarry and slab to slab. What should I be shopping for when looking for a substitute for the AB? Are you having a sink (apron style) fabricated as well from the material. If so, what does that run? Still hoping for some east coast opinions on the Whitehaus collection for S/S u/m 16 guage sinks (Super pro) as well as kitchen faucets. It appears to be distributed more heavily on the East coast. Accidentally ventured over to a different Lacanche thred re: pricing....it's "rough" over there! Thanks for all the continued assistance. meryl

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· Posted by: tsprinkle (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 15:05
spacific: it isn't spectacular -- it is nice. The kitchen is small -- the house was built in 1970 and NEVER touched so I am renovating the whole thing. Also as an aside to all of you who are wondering about AC service, my range was slightly damaged in shipping. When I told Stan I was having to make a minor repair and I thought they should pay he said "OK" not "how much?" just "OK". They are an amazing company and for those of you fearful of buying sight unseen like I was -- rest assured they will stand behind their product.

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 15:14
Meryl-As to the hardness, it's all so difficult to get one's arms around. When you hear the word "soft," it is such a relative term. A while back, there had been a really good thread comparing soapstone, slate, granite and marble. From that thread and other website info, I felt I found enough info to suggest some regions have softer vs harder soapstone. And I sent for samples from anyone who would send them to me so I could "see and touch" what I was reading about. I could scratch most of these samples with my fingernail, which is a bit unsettling. But, at the same time, depending on the depth of the scratch, I could rub it right out to where you would never notice it. At the quarry I visited in VA, there are different degrees of hardness within the same 29-mile quarry. The softer soapstone is sold for sculpting and the harder is sold for other uses. They had some lovely soapstone that they did not recommend for kitchen countertops because of it's softness. Of the ones they recommended for kitchen use, I could not scratch them with my fingernail. When I took the samples home, I still couldn't scratch them with a knife. Finally, after a lot of persistence, I was able to scratch one sample. But it took A LOT of effort to scratch it. Again, I could rub it right out. I've been looking for an apron front sink myself. I haven't come across one I really like yet. I may consider a soapstone sink if they can round the inner corners (they're looking into whether they can do it). I don't like that sharp-corner look. All of their sinks are custom at $75/sq ft. Bottom line for me is, I've gotten soapstone samples for 5 vendors. The one from VA is the hardest of all I received. I'll definitely go with them. Plus, for now, they're so much cheaper than the others! Whew! I'm staying out of that other Lacanche thread!

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 15:16
Percheron-No, soapstone doesn't stain. If you don't treat it, it will show patina in the work areas. If you treat it, it will look the same all over, all the time. Good Luck!!

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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 16:33
Mom-to-4-kids, I will definitely look into it - soapstone is beautiful. Does it come in colors? Please direct me to a site to look at it - and I will get off this site - where countertops may not belong! Thank you!

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Tue, Jan 6, 04 at 16:57
Deb: Thanks for the education. I'll have to start my own local research. If they can import granite from Italy..I can get soapstone from VA to CA. I too will have to take this to the soapstone countertop thread. Thanks again for all your help Meryl

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Wed, Jan 7, 04 at 8:02
percheron: Here are some sites plus the link to my pictures I took of New World's soapstone. Vermont Soapstone: http://www.vermontsoapstone.com/ Vermont Marble, Slate, Granite and soapstone: http://www.soapstone-co.com/whatis101.html Finnish Soapstone: http://www.finnishsoapstone.com/ Good Luck and let's continue this on the soapstone thread! Sorry about spending so much time on this on this thread! Deb
Here is a link that might be useful: New World Soapstone pix

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· Posted by: marybishop2003 (My Page) on Wed, Jan 7, 04 at 10:24
Hi guys I'm considering buying a Lacanche Cluny range. Can you tell me if it's possible to get parts for them? I have a friendly engineer that would cut maintenance costs a lot... Thanks in advance.

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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Wed, Jan 7, 04 at 11:26
Mary, I don't think anyone here has needed any parts yet. Art Culinaire could probably answer that question for you best.

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· Posted by: Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Wed, Jan 7, 04 at 16:43
Mary, I needed a few parts when my Cormatin arrived. The brass burner caps were scratched, as was the SS liner on the inside of the oven. AC sent me the parts, which they had in stock. Their customer service is so good, I wouldn't worry about getting parts from them anytime!

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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Wed, Jan 7, 04 at 23:56
Calling all Lacanche experts! : I have recently put in an order for a black Cormatin with the French top. (AC said I can still change the order without a penalty.) I had an afterthought last night about a Cluny (after looking at a cabinet catalog and seeing a big Morice in it and how great it looked). Please tell me if the bigger range makes any sense for us. We are constructing a new home in a French Chateau style. The galley kitchen will be 18.5 ft long, and 17.5 feet wide, with a 12 ft. island. The stove will be centered on the wall, with windows on either side, and a pantry unit one one end, and a bottom freezer refrigerator on the other - just to give you the look of this kitchen. The sink will be across from the stove in the island. A bigger stove may look better and would the Cormatin be lost in this kitchen (the cabinet person said today it would not - and we could put black flutes or similar moldings on each side of the stove to make it look bigger) - but here's the question. There is only my husband and myself - we are in a remote area of Colorado where we rarely receive visitors and do almost no entertaining. I do most of my cooking on top of the stove, and rarely even use 2 burners, and only on Thanksgiving would I need more than one oven. Is the Cluny overkill? Should I just stick with the Cormatin Mom-to-4-kids: Thanks for the link. I will look it up! Thanks for your input and opinions on this!

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Thu, Jan 8, 04 at 8:10
Unless you're worried about resale in the near future, I'd stick with the Cormatin and get creative as your cabinet person suggests. Spend the money somewhere else. I'm in the complete opposite position. Six of us; all picky eaters; entertain very often (including large crowds)...so I maxed out on my range. But I know I'll use every inch of it and there will be times I wish I had more. You made a great choice based on how you and your husband live. Stick with it! Deb

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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Thu, Jan 8, 04 at 10:27
Thanks, Deb. I looked at your site last night and I saw you have the same idea of a French style. Now I have to think about colors of wood floors, islands, and cabinets. We have some antique white oak and quartersawn oak pieces that you would see from the kitchen as it is an open floor plan-what color and species wood would you suggest in the kirchen? I want to use the same wood floor throughout - so it has to blend it with the kitchen, dining area and living room. Thanks for your help as always! Judy

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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Thu, Jan 8, 04 at 14:29
Percheron – Congratulations! I also think you made a great choice. I really love that Cormatin and I think you did the right thing in deciding exactly how this works for your lifestyle and manner of cooking. Plus I don't think small range or large range means it will look a certain way but more how it is incorporated into your design and how functional it becomes in your layout. I just hope you love it. Again, I’m so sorry I can’t be of more help since ours is not hooked up yet. For some reason most of the people I’m aware of do not have their Lacanches installed yet either and luckily Carol and Anna are helping keep us abreast of their experiences which really helps. Others still have not yet received their ranges so that is also a holdup on getting more “real use” info on the Lacanche and others from prior threads have vanished from the forum. There was a former poster who started all these Lacanche threads who had (has) a lot of info to impart but unfortunately she is not posting anymore and I think it is too bad that she isn’t able to contribute. She is very knowledgeable and I know would be an incredible source of help if she ever pops back over here. Keep your fingers crossed. :o) I know this is a tough decision and I am lucky that my husband grew up in his family’s restaurant so was a lot of help when we had to compare to other ranges and finally make the decision to buy Lacanche. I’ll be very anxious to share some real hands-on experience myself once I can fire that thing up! And, Deb, you must be one fabulous cook! :o)

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· Posted by: percheron (My Page) on Thu, Jan 8, 04 at 15:35
Thanks, Zolablue. I will stay with my first instinct - the Cormatin. I know I will love it!

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· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Fri, Jan 9, 04 at 14:13
Question: how satisfied are you with AC's cust service? Is that a separate department or are Stan, etc. *IT*? Reason I ask is that I called them before New Year and also e-mailed them, asking specific questions about a custom rangetop, and I have yet to hear from them. stef

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· Posted by: nocalgirl (My Page) on Fri, Jan 9, 04 at 18:25
Hello all, Here I was, somewhat happily settled on a 48" dual fuel Wolf range, when I started reading these threads. I had ruled out a French range as I thought they were way too expensive for me. We don't know if this is our forever house and I didn't want to spend my future sales profits :) The big daddy dealer around here (SF Peninsula) has AGA and La Cornue as alternatives to the major American players, and I didn't realize that I could get beauty and function for less than $20,000. My husband can't believe that I would even consider making such a big purchase sight unseen - he jokes that stores need to sell things as used after I've been through. As I was planning on having at least a 48" range, the two I am considering are the Sully and the Cluny 1400. I would love to have one gas and one electric oven (not an option with Wolf etc.) and was drawn to the Cluny 1400 for the warming cabinet. I do recall someone saying that they had problems with the door of the warming cabinet, and another who simply used the drawer beneath her working oven for warming. Can someone share experiences/thoughts regarding sacrificing oven width for a warming cabinet? After moving to our new house, I have been living with double 24" ovens and can't get my cookie sheets in. Not a width problem, but length. How are those 16" ovens? Does anyone know how deep they are? Any frustrated moments trying to get a large saute pan in for finishing? I am also wondering if anyone has opted for the electric convection feature. I have had two convection ovens but rarely used the feature. With both, temperature and cooking time needed modification, and it always seemed like too much trouble. I just wanted to let you all know how helpful and thoughtful your comments have been. It is so amazing to see how much time and effort some of you have put into sharing such valauble information. Thanks! Rachel

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· Posted by: lindak5 (My Page) on Fri, Jan 9, 04 at 22:03
Hi NoCal girl-You can call Stan or Tom at AC and they will contact Lacanche owners in your vicinity to ask if they'd be willing to show you their stove. I saw one and it clinched it for me. Re: the warming oven, I think the true warming oven on the side is what you'd want vs using the storage drawers underneath. The storage drawers are truly storage drawers. Re: the oven's, I must confess that I'm more of a stove top cook myself but both the gas and electric have performed great for me. But again, I'm not into precision baking so I wouldn't know if they were a problem or not. The measurements say that the depth is 18" but the rack has a lip on the back which lessens it by about 2". I'm going to call AC to see if they have a different rack which doesn't have a lip on the back. Hope some of this helps. LindaK

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Sun, Jan 11, 04 at 14:37
Hello No Cal Girl: I unfortunately have not rec'd my Sully yet so I can not speak from experience but your dilemma is almost identical to mine. BTW I am on the Central Coast of CA in Montecito. I too was going with the Wolf dual Fuel 48" or 60", I was/am very atrracted to the warming cabinet and was infact deciding between exactly the same models you are. In the end I opted for the Sully but only beacuse I wanted the electric convection in one oven and it causes the oven cavity to get even shorter thus leaving that oven too small for my needs (in the cluny). I don't have the room to add the warming cabinet to the Sully. The other challenge for me was the 3" of clearance necessary between the cabinetry and the cabinet door for proper operation. I really wanted the zero clearance (but that's just my thing). The warming cabinet is a great idea and IMO far superior to any warming drawers. In the end I was not able to actaully see and touch one either and still can't believe I've made the leap sight unseen. This website helped a lot (in fact one very kind poster even let me call her and discuss it). Additionally, I did some resarch in France (with acquaintances) and they rate the product very well. Much like a family heirloom. For now I just wait to see (until March!) Good luck with your decision remembering that your range needs to work for your needs! Meryl

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· Posted by: dorishults (dori_shults@hotmail.com) on Sun, Jan 11, 04 at 14:40
Hi, I have been reading the posts carefully and so far have not seen a follow up of BTU's for wok cooking. I would like the french top and could justify the espense if I could delete my wok burner I was going to put in. It seems to me that the wok burner is about 30,000 btu's which is almost double of the center burner. Also I am still not clear if the french top on the tradition is removable,or solid. I do love this stove, also with the warming cupboard is the clearance that you have to have 3" sticking out so the door will clear or 3" space from the cabinets? thanks dori

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Sun, Jan 11, 04 at 14:51
Doris-Can't answer about the wok. As for the 3" clearance for the warming cupboard...it's needed to fully open the door. It's either 3" space between the cab/countertop and range if the cabs and oven are along the same "front line" OR the cabs recess from the front of the range by 3". I have the measurements somewhere, but it seems the range sticks out about 31" from the wall, so the cabs & countertop can easily be recessed vs flush. I think the frnt/back clearance vs side-by-side clearance is easily achievable in most instances. The difficulty would be if your wlaking area was already on the tight side, then the depth of the range might become an issue.

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Sun, Jan 11, 04 at 14:52
My 31" measurement might include the handle projection. Let me know if you need the dimensions and I can pull them out.

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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Sun, Jan 11, 04 at 16:37
I just measured my Cluny. It is 25" deep but 28 1/4"including the handle. If you include the island spacer this adds another 2 3/4" making it 31" from the wall to the outside of the handle so, Deb, that is probably what you're thinking of. This brings up another good point that was covered in the old threads but not here recently. Make sure you ask about the spacer you want because it comes with the wall spacer that runs up behind the range about 4 inches or so. I did not want that look so opted for the island spacer even though we are installing on a wall. AC has them made locally and they charge $150 for them. You usually have to ask about them as it ships from France with the wall spacer and I wouldn't have known had not another poster steered me to it so just a heads up for some of you.
· Posted by: JacksMommy (My Page) on Tue, Jan 13, 04 at 18:12
Has anyone made homemade pizza in their lacanche? I love to make pizza and I can get my Thermador as hot as 550 degrees (or so it says). Our new house will be finished soon (or so the builder says) and I'm anxiously awaiting the day I can use my Sully. Since all I can do is dream about it, can someone please share with me how hot this oven can get? I think I remember speaking with Stan about this. I can't remember what he said though. Thanks guys!

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· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Tue, Jan 13, 04 at 18:26
whoa, hold on there! doris, the lacanche offers a 30K BTU burner? first time i heard that. please someone clarify! do they really???? that's exciting!

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· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Tue, Jan 13, 04 at 18:39
No, stefoodie, she said the WOK burner she is considering is 30k BTU, if I read that right. :o) I think Lacanche's top BTU on any range is still 18k.

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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, Jan 13, 04 at 18:51
Has anyone made homemade pizza in their lacanche? Yes, all the time! Both the electric and the gas ovens go to 550.

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· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Tue, Jan 13, 04 at 21:03
oh, my bad. i thought she meant she was going to ask for a 30K btu burner in the middle of a lacanche top. sorry everyone!

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· Posted by: nocalgirl (My Page) on Wed, Jan 14, 04 at 21:34
Thanks for all of the information. I spoke with Stan today and asked him about the warming cabinet door issue, as I am debating between a Cluny 1400 and the Sully. He was looking at a new unit there and was surprised to find that the previous 3" clearance issue seemed to have been solved. He could open the door to 90 degrees and move the shelves inside. Maybe they modified the hinge or whatever was causing the problem - we was going to find out what they did. I'd double and triple check before ordering, but an interesting development. We also had the "is bigger better" discussion, as I was reluctant to give up the extra oven width that the Sully brings. However, I would absolutely love to have a warming cabinet. Did you know that it goes from 80 to 230 degrees? You can actually slow cook in that thing! He has me leaning toward a Cluny 1400 with a French Top on the right, and 4 burners flanking a large 18,000 BTU burner. The total for that comes to $9060 (the extra hob w/French top added $700), plus $1395 freight/shipping. The Sully is $11,500, plus same shipping. Tom cooks on the Cluny 1400 (aka Cluny+1) and thinks it is fantastic. I know this has been covered, but I am feeling very nervous about having such small ovens. I know I would adjust just fine, but I would love to be reassured. Heck, with that extra $2500 I could maybe find a place for another wall oven. Though would that be necessary? Stan said that everyone thinks they would need that, but rarely do. Thoughts? He also mentioned that the usable rack space of the Cluny oven was actually only 14", as they have new racks that allow for air circulation on the side. Is this something anyone is aware of? I thought the specs were for 16". He also mentioned pastry sheets that fit onto the racks that come standard with the unit. Does anyone have these? Are they like cookie sheets? Sorry for all the questions, but who better to ask that this dedicated and informed group? P.S. Equistroke lives close to me and has offered to let me see her Fontenay in person. Can't wait! Rachel

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· Posted by: lorieanne (My Page) on Thu, Jan 15, 04 at 12:54
I also am awaiting the answers to your questions as I too am looking at the cluny and volnay. I did speak to an owner in my area(MA) which has had her cluny for a year. She is a little disappointed in the size of the ovens and she indicated she finds there are big differences in oven temp from the top to bottom rack( she does not have convection)but only in the electric oven, not in the gas oven. Although, she spoke very highly of the customer service she has received. I was really excited about these ranges until I talked with her but I am coming to the conclusion that maybe this may not be for me. I love the look but my husband keeps asking what I gain in these over the Wolf besides the look and I am hard pressed to answer honestly that other than looks, which I find wonderful, they actually may be lacking in some areas(size mostly). The other thing that I found interesting with the woman I spoke with was that her husband and her "settled"(her words) for the Lacanche because they could not agreee on any other range. He wanted a Viking. She did not seem that knowledgeable about the Viking or any other ranges which I am researching heavily. She also indicated that she does not like to cook that offen (mostly dessert and pastries)and her husband is a home builder and I wonder if that may have impacted some of their decisions more than the actual functions of the ovens, burners etc. I am still on the fence with the Lacanche as I have not talked to anyone other than her who is actually using the range. I did speak to one other person who has one sitting in her dining room waiting to be installed but I guess I am nervious about spending so much on an item I can't really see and doesn't have a verifiable track record like the other brands I am researching. lorieanne

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· Posted by: ysop1016 (My Page) on Thu, Jan 15, 04 at 14:34
Lorieanne, I bought my Cluny having never seen one, a year ago. I just love cooking on it and have had wonderful results in both the gas and the electric ovens. I did need to have service early on to adjust the burners and one oven. AC arranged for it and a local co. raved about how easy it was to service. I'd be happy to answer any questions.

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· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Thu, Jan 15, 04 at 14:39
Lorieanne, it's ok! I'm kinda where you are actually. My hubby has decided for me that I should get the Lacanche because I haven't found a range to rival what it offers, BUT I still have not seen the Blue Star. So until I've seen it there's still a part of me that thinks -- what if? And you're right, in the end, you will have to decide what's best for you. Though we're trying to be practical and choose something we can take with us, I have that uneasy feeling of "settling for" the Lacanche ovens. I *really* would like something a lot bigger, and even the Sully or Volnay ovens won't satisfy. Now that I know I can have the Lacanche if I really wanted to, my practical side has reasserted itself and I keep asking -- do I really want those ovens? Or, do I really want to spend that much and STILL not get the configuration I want? The answer is mostly "no". So, I'm seeing a Blue Star, hopefully as early as tonight. Hopefully this will help me arrive at my "final answer". Good luck with your choices, and I'm sure with all the research you're doing you'll make the right decision in the end.

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· Posted by: lorieanne (My Page) on Thu, Jan 15, 04 at 19:01
YSOP1016, What were the adjustments needed to the cooktop and oven? What other brands did you look at when you made your decision to buy the Lacanche? Any second thoughts? Did you have a double oven before purchasing the Lacanche? How did you find out about Lacanche? What kind of cooking do you do? As I feel everyone has a different cooking background this can be helpful when determining what some like/dislike. Just curious, lorieanne

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Sun, Jan 18, 04 at 0:25
Here I am happily awaiting the early March arrival of my Sully when I receive a message from Stan at AC that the 3" clearance issue has been solved with the warming cabinet. It was very kind of him to call me since he was aware that this was the primary reason I switched from the Cluny +1 to the Sully. I have until Monday to "switch back" if I want to so I now am wondering AGAIN if I can live the the cluny oven size and get the warming cabinet as well. NoCal girl posted earlier that the interior width of the cluny is now 14" with new racks. 16 inched felt small 14" feels really narrow. WHat is the depth? I've got until Monday to ponder the change...Any thoughts? I've survived this long without a warming cabinet and I do ALOT of baking. My sully was ordered with one elec. convection. Alternately as NoCal girl mentioned I could opt for the Cluny+1 and use the extra $$$ saved to install an electric wall oven undercounter. Just when I thought it was over... Meryl

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· Posted by: starina (My Page) on Sun, Jan 18, 04 at 8:38
Stefoodie, I am in the same place you are. Seriously second guessing myself. Sigh... The ovens just don't feel ideal to me, and I don't want additional wall ovens. Thank goodness for these forums. I don't think anyone 'outside' understands my pre occupation with these things, lol. Starina

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Sun, Jan 18, 04 at 9:09
Meryl- How about getting the Sully and putting a WD in somewhere else in the kitchen (nearby of, course!)? The configuration would be different than the WC, but you could still proof in it, etc. You might even get two. My only regret in my old house was not putting in 2 WD. That gives you maximum oven space AND warming capabilities. Does that work at all for you? (I will say, I agree with your earlier post...I think the WC configuration is better than the WD, but when push comes to shove, I could certainly work with the WD.) Decisions, decisions....! Deb

RE: Lacanche Ranges Part 8
· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Sun, Jan 18, 04 at 15:41
Thanks Starina & Deb for your thoughtful comments. I will revisit the warming drawer idea..although I've never been a big fan. The part I love about the WC is that you can "plate" up to 8 dinners. In the WD you don't have that flexibility. Also there really isn't an ideal nearby location. In fact it would be easier to remote an additional oven as it does not need the proximity. I guess I better pull out the tape measure and start to measure those pots & pans again, 14" is pretty narrow. Or I can pretend I didn't get the message and be happy with my previous decision. We are an interesting breed. Meryl

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Sun, Jan 18, 04 at 15:47
Do measure again. And depending on the size of your plates, you could "plate" 8 dinners. I had a 30" WD in my old house. I could put 4 plates on the bottom and 2 on the rack. If I had another rack (which I'm sure one could get), I could've held 8 plates. I had 2 different sizes of dinner plates. I could not do this with my larger ones. I'd have to slightly overlap them, which I could do if the food was not runny. It's funny, I was actually thinking I would NOT be able to "plate" as many dishes, but I would be able to use more serving vessels in the WCs than the WDs! Maybe you and I should get one of each!!

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Sun, Jan 18, 04 at 16:56
Well I measured again and it's all coming back to me...I have braiser/sheets/roasters that are 17" and 18". With a maximum depth of 16" I definately need a wider oven ...so It's stay with the sully and look again at WD's (Thanks for the hands on re WD's Deb!) or switch and get that extra oven. I really don't want an extra oven! Meryl

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· Posted by: FrenchTeacher (My Page) on Sun, Jan 18, 04 at 18:01
I've been following along this latest info of the 14" width of the Cluny ovens. I, too, just remeasured my pans and looked at the specs on the catalog insert. I believe the depth of the ovens is 18", rather than 16" (non-convection, that is). I believe the convection takes an additional 2 inches from the depth, leaving the 16" you're discussing. Please confirm. I'm rather concerned about this new info, as my order for a Cluny has been placed, and my kitchen design is nearing completion. If I needed to change, I imagine I could, but I don't know how AC would handle an order change at this point. Any thoughts?

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Sun, Jan 18, 04 at 18:29
I rechecked the spec sheet and you are absolutely correct. The depth IS 18" in the standard CLUNY ovens (non convection). I was looking at the convection Thanks for the heads up. It was my error. That does make a huge difference for me. Thank you French Teacher for the correction. Meryl

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 0:09
Deb, What kind of warming drawers did you have that you were so happy with? Were they integrated (Did they accept a cabinet panel? Meryl

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· Posted by: Momto4Kids (My Page) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 7:48
Meryl, I just had Thermador, but I did not get an integrated panel. I think the integrated version came out the year after I bought mine. They can go from 140 to 210 (L, M, H settings), as well as moist or dry. Knowing what I know now, I'd definitely get a second rack! Of course, there are more hi-tech models out there. Some have automatic shut-off. KA has removable covered serving pans. Wolf has 5 removable dividers. Some have liners tht come out for easier cleaning. Thermador does not, but I didn't find it to really be a headache. I really liked mine, but if I had to do it over again, I'd definitely look at the other ones with more featues. Keep us posted as to what you do! Deb

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· Posted by: Tiger_lily_sc (tigerlilysc@msn.com) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 7:51
tsprinkle--I'm so happy for you and your RED Lacanche! Please post pictures soon! Penny

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· Posted by: stefoodie (My Page) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 10:02
tsprinkle -- somehow i missed your post back there. good thing penny posted. do you have pictures yet? looking forward to seeing them, stef

RE: Lacanche Ranges Part 8
· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 14:15
Does anyone recall the wall oven someone mentioned in an earlier thread that might be more aethstically similar to the Lacanche? If so do you have any info on it? Meryl PS I've done some cabinetry shuffling and it looks like I'm switching to the Cluny +1 and adding a remote baking oven. For my layout it makes more sense to remote an oven than the WD's and then I'll have 3 oven and a WC for a similar price.

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· Posted by: MarkinSD (My Page) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 14:39
"Does anyone recall the wall oven someone mentioned in an earlier thread that might be more aethstically similar to the Lacanche? If so do you have any info on it?" Was it the Elan? Mark
Here is a link that might be useful: Elan Vintage Style Oven

RE: Lacanche Ranges Part 8
· Posted by: Zolablue (My Page) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 16:07
Meryl, I just thought of you last night so glad I checked this thread. Get the new issue of BHG Kitchen & Bath Ideas (January/February 2004). I just bought it last evening (so it is still available) and on pages 82 & 83 there is a white Elan oven under the counter and on page 84 they picture the kitchen's white Lacanche cooktop. I haven't read the article yet - just skimmed it - but they have really done some interesting things to take advantage of all the space available in a rather small kitchen emphasizing functionality. Anyway, it gives you a very good look at that Elan oven in context for size and also it was interesting they chose it to go with their Lacanche cooktop. I think it looks beautiful.

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· Posted by: dorishults (dori_shults@hotmail.com) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 17:55
Sorry Stefoodie,if the Lacanche had the 30,000 btu burner I would not be agonizing over this so much! I as some others I am starting to have problems justifing the price of this stove over some of the others, my husband says I don't have to justify, but, I like everyone else wants to get the best for their particular use and dollar. Is anyone famillar with the french top on the Wolf? Is anyone using a french top and what do they think of it? Has anyone seen a Blue Star in person yet? I really like the look of the Lacanche and alot of the features, I have double convection ovens in my pantry with a pass thru door so I am really more interested in the perfomance of the top and the warming cabinet.And we are concerned with presentation as we have spend time and money thru out our home and would like it to carry thru the kitchen. This thread is great, you all have such great thoughts and ideas!

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· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 20:16
Thank you Mark for the link to Elan ovens. I have requested the brochure from the American distributer....Guess what ,they sell a line of custom french ranges I had not heard of before (Godin). They are beautiful but different from Lacanche and pricier. I am still a Lacanche woman. Any info anyone has on these Elan ovens (for better or worse) is greatly appreciated. Thanks all! Meryl

Godin
· Posted by: MarkinSD (My Page) on Mon, Jan 19, 04 at 20:31
Meryl, you are most welcome. Here is a link to Godin pricing, courtesy of Pamela1. Mark
Here is a link that might be useful: Godin Pricing

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· Posted by: tsprinkle (My Page) on Tue, Jan 20, 04 at 11:53
Penny and Stef: No pictures yet. I have been at the 98% complete phase for a while now. Little things at the end seem to take so long. I still need panels for the dishwasher and glass for some cabinets. Once those items come in and get installed, I will post some picures. I am anxious to unpack my kitchen! I do have a question for existing Lacanche owners that I'm sure this has been covered in other threads. I frequently sear meat (pork chops, lamb chops, etc) on top of the stove and then finish them in a 400 degree oven. None of my saute pans fit inside the oven because of the handles. Any suggestions on other pans that perhaps don't have long handles?

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· Posted by: lorieanne (My Page) on Tue, Jan 20, 04 at 13:13
I am looking at the cluny plus one. What would you do for the hood. I am interested in the ventahood inside either cabinetry or building hood with sheetrock and then triming it out like a hearth. What size did you get? I am not planning on burners above the WC but for it to look right you would need 58" hood to cover the whole range. Help!! Any ideas. By the way, I'm not interested in the $3,500++ Lacanche hood!!! lorieanne

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· Posted by: anna_chosak (My Page) on Tue, Jan 20, 04 at 16:45
Tsprinkle, I have some of the new copper and stainless Calphalon pans. I just tried my largest pan; it's a 10.5" sauté pan (that's the one with straight sides, right? I can never remember). It measures, in total, 19.75" including both the long and the short handles. Fits nicely in the gas oven. I have also seared a large brisket over the central burner using the removable French top, then finished braising it in the oven. It's the large Calphalon roaster.

RE: Lacanche Ranges Part 8
· Posted by: nocalgirl (My Page) on Tue, Jan 20, 04 at 18:52
Meryl- When I read your posts, I begin to think we are really the same person :) I keep agonizing over whether I should add a wall oven (Elan is a choice, but how much are those beauties?) or just trust that all will work out fine with the Cluny+1. Stan has assured me that most all people who add that insurance oven find it to be unnessesary in retrospect. Another option would be to get the Sully-sized cooktop only and the Elan wall ovens. Before I saw those I thought it would look so very wierd to have a Lacanche cooktop with a modern looking oven in plain view. Having just a cooktop does kind of defeat the whole "hearth and home" thing, and I would cry to have to give up the warming cabinet. OK, I'll stop. I'm officially obsessing...

Hood options for 55 in. range
· Posted by: nocalgirl (My Page) on Tue, Jan 20, 04 at 19:11
Lorieanne - I have the same questions regarding hoods. Is there a 58" version by ventahood? I have just seen 60", which just seems huge and eats up a few additional inches of what would be window space. Can anyone share what they have chosen for their Cluny+1 or Sully? We will have a cover made, like Lorieanne I am just concerned with the guts. Thanks!

RE: Lacanche Ranges Part 8
· Posted by: cooking_SB (My Page) on Tue, Jan 20, 04 at 19:32
No Cal girl, I have changed officially to the Cluny +1 from the Sully as Stan has assured me the Warming cabinet no longer needs the 3"clearance. I have researched the elan oven..it is about $3000 and can be found on cuttingedgekitchens.com for about $2700. I am awaitingthe brochure. My Lacanche however is ordered with Polished Chrome trim (no brass) , so I would only want the elan if the same could be done. I am awaiting a reply. My fallback is to use the DACOR Millenia model. It has no handle and in stainless should disappear into the cabinetry. Also I am locating it undercounter in the the baking area (away from the Lacanche) because that's what I would use it for mostly. I've had the Dacor convection before and I liked it. So now I have 3 ovens and a warming cabinet . There's no turning back now! I'm told I'm still a March delivery. Maybe this is a California thing!